What If a Relationship Should Not Last?

separation 225x300 What If a Relationship Should Not Last?The other day, we posted a dis­cus­sion on so many cou­ples enter­ing into a rela­tion­ship in ways that almost guar­an­tees fail­ure as the out­come. If you have read our blog at all you know that we are in a long-term, monog­a­mous rela­tion­ship and truly believe that such a rela­tion­ship has many advantages.

In fact, to some, we might even seem some­what “preachy” and evan­gel­i­cal on the topic. We really are not try­ing to preach or pros­e­ly­tize; we just feel very strongly about a sit­u­a­tion that is right for us. Nor are we naïve about our rela­tion­ship. We are in many ways a very odd cou­ple; the rela­tion­ship “experts” would never match an ENTJ and an INFJ INFP (“Doh!”, must learn to proof­read some­day) and it would be a total lie to say our intrin­sic per­son­al­i­ties do not cre­ate con­flict, but match we are. Even if the odds of eHar­mony or Match.com of pick­ing us as a good pair­ing are very much less than likely.

In the recent post we said:

If you don’t join together, why bother with a long-term rela­tion­ship? If you are going to cre­ate escape tun­nels, you are not really plan­ning to stay in the rela­tion­ship. Don’t bother enter­ing into it in the first place. You will save both you and you part­ner a lot of pain.

Together is bet­ter in our opinion.”

We believed that when we wrote it and we believe that now. But per­haps we need to add that our com­ments were mostly refer­ring to when orig­i­nally com­mit­ting to a relationship.

What about when a per­son is in a rela­tion­ship, is fully com­mit­ted to the rela­tion­ship, and their part­ner drifts from the com­mit­ment? Or even when the bond between the two peo­ple fades and both feel a loss of the com­mit­ment? When the rela­tion­ship is over there is no rea­son to live with the pain just because a com­mit­ment was made. The only rea­son to main­tain the rela­tion­ship is for the sake of the rela­tion­ship. If it is bro­ken, truly bro­ken, it should be allowed to die. And it can be like death, but there is noth­ing to be gained to waste life liv­ing as if dead.

One of the most joy­ous occa­sions we have ever attended was W7, the wed­ding of two dear friends. It was wed­ding num­ber four for one and num­ber three for the other. But this time they got it right. There were good things that came from W1 through W6, as was rep­re­sented by the off­spring there to sup­port the occa­sion. But never has there been a bet­ter exam­ple of a rela­tion­ship that is going to last than the one between the pair joined at W7.

BTW, W7 was attended by a mix of long stand­ing friend/couples in var­i­ous stages of rela­tion­ships, includ­ing us. Some worked, in strange ways, some didn’t. The way of life.

When a rela­tion­ship should not last, it needs to die. It needs to die so that a new one can be born to have a chance to become one that can and should last.

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I Am Zombie Bait

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cdc zombie preparedness 101 zombie pandemic 232x300 I Am Zombie BaitI thought it was just a joke, but now I am not so sure. And to make mat­ters worse, I am really wor­ried. When the US CDC posted Pre­pared­ness 101: Zom­bie Apoc­a­lypse it seemed like a bit of satire. But now they have fol­lowed it up with a com­plete online graphic novel. Are they send­ing us a mes­sage? Are Zom­bies real? If they are, I am in real trou­ble. I may have kicked the boot good­bye, but I am still shuf­fling pretty darn slow.

Some­thing tells me I am going to be at the back of the crowd when we run away from the Zom­bies. That is not a good place to be. icon sad I Am Zombie Bait

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England’s Own Puritan Ethic, also Death of BBC News

plymouth rock 300x221 England’s Own Puritan Ethic, also Death of BBC NewsIt is bad enough the Eng­land made the Puri­tans uncom­fort­able enough that they came over here and firmly estab­lished their sex­u­ally repres­sive atti­tudes into the Amer­i­can psy­che. But it appears that some of them stayed behind and are work­ing to weave their atti­tudes into mod­ern British soci­ety. Dur­ing a recent BBC TV Sun­day Morn­ing Live pro­gram  (note: the BBC iPlayer can only be accessed in the UK) a dis­cus­sion was held on the topic of whether sex edu­ca­tion was dam­ag­ing chil­dren. Dur­ing the dis­cus­sion, a well-known British “fam­ily val­ues” cam­paigner, Lynette Bur­rows, actu­ally said,

I think par­ents have the absolute right to pro­tect their chil­dren from this sort of edu­ca­tion which is so unhelp­fully obsessed with destroy­ing child­hood inno­cence, in a way that’s rem­i­nis­cent of pae­dophilia. To me, any­one who wants to talk dirty to lit­tle chil­dren is a dan­ger to them.”

OK, there is really noth­ing wrong with allow­ing a wacko nutjob to speak their mind. And I per­son­ally believe that some­one who thinks that pro­fes­sion­als who are hired by schools in the US and the UK to pro­vide Sex Edu­ca­tion (more com­monly referred to as SRE or Sex and Rela­tion­ship Edu­ca­tion) are pro­vid­ing pae­dophilia (keep­ing the Brit spelling) is a wacko nutjob. But on an impor­tant sub­ject, like SRE, any respon­si­ble news orga­ni­za­tion would pro­vide other views on the sub­ject. Unfor­tu­nately, the BBC chose to only have one SRE pro­fes­sional involved in the broad­cast and that one was by web­cam. The pro­fes­sional was only given a few sec­onds to respond to what was pre­sented as essen­tially an attack before being cut off and hav­ing the dis­cus­sion returned to the stu­dio. Mar­tin Rob­bins has writ­ten a very good dis­cus­sion on this in The Guardian.

2011-10-22 note added in proof:

I have just been informed by a friend who lives in the UK that the pro­gram is a BBC dis­cus­sion pro­gram that claims to be a reli­gious moral and ethics debate and is not actu­ally a BBC News show. So my con­cerns about not hav­ing actu­ally seen the show were jus­ti­fied. Per­haps this show is more like the many dis­cus­sion shows that are pre­sented by the major US net­works on Sun­day morn­ing and by CNN, Fox News, and MSNBC con­stantly dur­ing their broad­cast sched­ule. These dis­cus­sion shows play a major part in shap­ing pub­lic opin­ion in the US. I sus­pect they also do in the UK

Before I go on I have to make a qual­i­fy­ing state­ment. The sci­en­tist in me is a bit uncom­fort­able with the fact that I did not get the oppor­tu­nity the watch the broad­cast myself yet I am form­ing and express­ing an opin­ion; the UK only limit I men­tioned above. But then this seems just like what is hap­pen­ing to “news” in the US. And it is even more dis­turb­ing because we Amer­i­cans always used to think that BBC News was the world’s best news organization.

Oh, but then along came Rupert Mur­doch. Along came Fox News; fair and bal­anced my ass. CNN Head­line News used to be news. For that mat­ter, so did CNN. I guess BBC is just going down the same path. No won­der so many peo­ple watch Jon Stew­art to get the news.

The world has always had a fair share of wacko nutjobs. But the new style of “news” gives them a new out­let to spew their psy­chotic ram­blings. Add in AM talk radio and a gullible pub­lic and … scary. So when peo­ple like Lynette Bur­rows are allowed to go on national TV and make claims that Sex and Rela­tion­ship Edu­ca­tors are pro­vid­ing pae­dophilia in the courses they pro­vide with­out being chal­lenged some peo­ple are going to accept her out­ra­geous claims at face value.

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Bye Bye Bootie

FLYING AIRCAST Bye Bye Bootie

Ann Mar­gret singing the open­ing from Bye Bye Birdie would have made me seem like a dirty old man, but it does make me think of Still Here Too’s red hair these days icon biggrin Bye Bye Bootie

Bye Bye Bootie
I’m glad to see you go;
Bye Bye Bootie,
Why’d ya have to come?
Time for sun­shine,
It’s dri­vin’ top down time;
I’ll smile Bootie,
Caus’ you’re gone for good.

Well, you get the point. The Boot has been given the boot. I am freed to move about. I can now re-engage in that highly dan­ger­ous activ­ity of walk­ing across the house the same as other peo­ple; risk­ing life and limb when I step on the 2” rise between the Util­ity Room and the Kitchen. I can drive with­out fear that I will have to explain why the Boot is lying in the pas­sen­ger well of the lit­tle zoom-zoom.

Oh it feels so good.

And I can now eas­ily drive 55 icon cool Bye Bye Bootie

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Giving a Relationship a Chance to Last

THA28 Giving a Relationship a Chance to LastThe other day, we were talk­ing about how so many cou­ples enter into a rela­tion­ship in ways that almost guar­an­tees fail­ure as the out­come. The pre­cau­tion­ary finan­cial arrange­ments many make for the pos­si­bil­ity the rela­tion­ship might fail pre­clude a true rela­tion­ship. Accept­ing that your part­ner must be your best (best as in very best) friend means all of your prior friend­ships must change is a dif­fi­cult real­ity for many to accept.

Per­haps the focus on finan­cial pre­cau­tion arises because of the trend to delay for­mal part­ner­ing until later in life, until both have estab­lished some degree of per­sonal prop­erty. Prenup­tial agree­ments, mak­ing sure that a man and wife take out of the mar­riage what they went in with, and equi­tably dis­trib­ute the assets they accrued dur­ing the course of the union, are more and more com­mon. Many cou­ples main­tain sep­a­rate finan­cial accounts. One site advises:

Sep­a­rate accounts allow you to buy those golf clubs or those per­fect heels with­out a per­mis­sion slip or even approval from your bet­ter half. … Hav­ing sep­a­rate finances is for­giv­ing, allow­ing each party to make mis­takes or poor choices with­out drain­ing the other.”

Too many cou­ples hide pur­chases and debts from each other. That is finan­cial infi­delity. If you wish to view the rela­tion­ship as a con­tract as might be formed to join the rul­ing fam­i­lies of two medieval coun­tries this would make some sense to us. But as a part­ner­ship between two peo­ple seek­ing to share (note share) their lives we just can­not see it. Should it not be, we take what is mine, and merge it with what is yours, and build what is ours? Less than this there is never a com­plete part­ner­ship. There is always my world and your world. There will always be influ­ences pulling the part­ners in dif­fer­ent direc­tions. That would be apart.

There will be no end of advi­sors, lawyers, friends, fam­ily who will warn a cou­ple about the finan­cial con­cerns of enter­ing into a rela­tion­ship. Friend­ships and rela­tion­ships with friends can be as influ­en­tial, or even more, than finances on the long-term health of the rela­tion­ship. Before two peo­ple meet, they usu­ally have their own cir­cle of friends. They have their rou­tines and habits for their relax­ation times. They likely have totally sep­a­rate best friends. A rela­tion­ship, even a long-term rela­tion­ship, does not mean giv­ing up on these friend­ships. But a long-term rela­tion­ship will and must lead to a change in these rela­tion­ships. You can keep you friends but they have to take a sec­ondary role in your life.

After they meet, after the rela­tion­ship starts, there is a period of love and lust between the part­ners. This leads to a deci­sion to enter into what is hoped to be a long-term, in many cases hoped to be life-long, rela­tion­ship. Over time the nature of the love and lust changes, but in the best of rela­tion­ships it can actu­ally become deeper, even more than just love. For this to hap­pen it is vitally impor­tant for the part­ners to become friends; actu­ally not only friends, but best friends. If you do not see your poten­tial rela­tion­ship part­ner as the per­son who will be your best friend, you should prob­a­bly give seri­ous con­sid­er­a­tion if this is the rela­tion­ship for you. How can you spend the rest of your life spend­ing more time with this per­son than any­one else if they are not your best friend?

When we met we actu­ally came from what many peo­ple seemed to think to be very dif­fer­ent worlds. Still Here Too was the socially engaged art stu­dent. Is Still Here was the some­what socially dis­en­gaged sci­ence stu­dent. Still Here Too was the peace­keep­ing INFP. Is Still Here was the some­what argu­men­ta­tive ENTJ. But meet we did. The tim­ing was right (so grate­ful); sum­mer term at uni­ver­sity so there were fewer dis­trac­tions than nor­mal. We spent so much time together fos­ter­ing the love and lust. It all led to the long-term com­mit­ment. But from there what has made it work is that we have always spent a high per­cent­age of our free time together. We seek activ­i­ties of joint inter­est. We fos­ter being each other’s best friend. We each have indi­vid­ual inter­est but they are sec­ondary to our inter­est together.

Some might say that we have given up our indi­vid­u­al­ity. Per­haps we have a bit. We have become one, we have gained so much. We have expe­ri­enced things together that we would not have indi­vid­u­ally. So any­thing that we might have missed, that we could have expe­ri­enced indi­vid­u­ally, is just a trade that we have chosen.

If you don’t join together, why bother with a long-term rela­tion­ship? If you are going to cre­ate escape tun­nels, you are not really plan­ning to stay in the rela­tion­ship. Don’t bother enter­ing into it in the first place. You will save both you and you part­ner a lot of pain.

Together is bet­ter in our opinion.

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Thank You

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500,000 Pageviews 2011-10-16 02:42 UTC

We started this site in Decem­ber 2009. One half a mil­lion pageviews is quite a mile­stone and it seems a “thank you” to all of you who view this site is war­rented. And as a reminder, com­ments and ques­tions are always welcome.

Thank you again,
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I Can’t Drive 55, But I Did Get to 45!

Slow 300x300 I Can’t Drive 55, But I Did Get to 45!

I would have to go slow right now, but this could be fun later.

Still Here Too is, has been, and always will be a dear, sweet Lady of the Night. Get­ting up before dawn to drive me to work has been a tremen­dous strain on her phys­i­cal state. She has per­formed her taxi dri­ver duties cheer­fully. But I have been feel­ing more and more guilty about hav­ing to drag her from her slum­ber to ferry me off to my world of meet­ings and reviews. Plus the loss of free­dom has been wear­ing on my psyche.

It has actu­ally been over 5 weeks since the bone in my foot broke. Heal­ing was fore­cast to take 6–8 weeks. The foot feels like every­thing is heal­ing very well. At home I am able to walk just fine with­out the boot if I am care­ful to keep the foot flat on the floor. I guess I really should wait until the sched­uled appoint­ment next week when they will take new x-rays and give me a proper diag­no­sis of healed or not, but this has got­ten very old and I promise myself to drive like a lit­tle old man.

So this morn­ing, for the first time in over 5 weeks, I sat myself in my lit­tle zoom-zoom and drove myself to work. Oh it felt nice. The once broke right foot was in an un-tied shoe and did just fine. The boot was in the tiny well of the pas­sen­ger seat. It turns out there is just enough room for me to slip the boot down beside the steer­ing wheel, lift my leg up over the seat and down into the boot, and tighten the straps. The trick comes when I have to rotate my leg with the boot down, side­ways under the steer­ing wheel, out the door, then back ver­ti­cal, get both feet squared up, get my bal­ance, and stand up.

But I did it and it felt good.

And to make things even bet­ter; dear, sweet Still Here Too just texted me that she just woke up. She slept until after 10:30. Bet she won’t be so exhausted at bed­time (hope icon lol I Can’t Drive 55, But I Did Get to 45! ).

But I do promise to drive like a lit­tle old man, at least for a while icon cool I Can’t Drive 55, But I Did Get to 45! .

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Geriatric Switch — Part V — Pity Wallow

dripping sarcasm3 Geriatric Switch — Part V — Pity WallowObvi­ously my ten­dency for drip­ping sar­casm has once again got­ten totally out of control.

Yes, I am a bit banged up. Yes, my mobil­ity is some­what restricted right now. But no, this is not the start of the end of my inde­pen­dence; at least as far as I know. There is noth­ing at this point to indi­cate that my injuries are any­thing more than freak acci­dents; coin­ci­dences that are not indi­ca­tors of some under­ly­ing severe issue. I only have had a pass­ing con­cern that there might be some­thing more fun­da­men­tally wrong for a brief moment, and this thought only occurred because of my per­sonal his­tory with can­cer and the fact that my father died from mul­ti­ple myeloma.

pig wallowing 300x225 Geriatric Switch — Part V — Pity WallowSo the last few post have reflected my sick sense of humor and my total frus­tra­tion with not being able to drive myself around. Wal­low­ing in self-pity is not really what I am doing. What I am doing is being hyper sar­cas­tic. I do that way too often.

I am not going to tell you that my bro­ken foot does not hurt, it still does; although not too badly if I move slowly enough. And the wrist is so immo­bi­lized by the brace that it is essen­tially free of pain. I do wish I could say the same for using my hand while the edges of the metal parts of the brace keep dig­ging into flesh and ten­dons. Grum­ble, grumble.

But all this will heal, or so I expect.

No, things are all really not so bad except the doc­tors do keep men­tion­ing “at your age…” That geri­atric stuff just won’t go away.

Guess there is no other way to look at it than I am still here to com­plain about it. icon lol Geriatric Switch — Part V — Pity Wallow

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